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178: The Research of Melinda Leslie: Part 6

In this series of posts, I present the ground-breaking research of Melinda Leslie, a brave woman who investigates what she calls the re-abductions of ET abductees by a secret arm of our intelligence community. She’s written a comprehensive presentation of her work that she gives at UFO conventions around the country, and she has given me permission to republish it here in its entirety. (It’s also available at her website for a modest fee.) Because Melinda’s work touches on so much of what I’ve experienced directly, and on what has been communicated to me by Harold’s chorus of Grays, I’ve also added my comments that appear below her text in bold-italic type. Ms. Leslie has not reviewed my comments and they do not necessarily reflect her views.

Reprinted From: “The Covert-Ops’ Reverse-Engineering of Extraterrestrial Abductees” © 2010 Melinda Leslie

What Do Abduction Researchers Say?

JOHN E. MACK, M.D. (1929 – 2004)

Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School

Abduction Researcher and Director of PEER

The late Dr. John E. Mack from an interview by Melinda Leslie:

“. . . I have cases I’m working with particularly in some depth where military involvement has been very important, disturbing, ongoing, and complicated. I have others that have seen military people, as well . . . The person feels they’re being menaced in day-to-day life by black helicopters, MIBs, men in uniform, and people in dark cars . . . this is not like a regular abduction . . . It does not have the same Interdimensional feel . . . abductees are transported to some underground place . . . There is some relationship, some kind of communication and collaboration between certain extraterrestrial beings in this underground place and the military people. The abductees are in some kind of intermediary role between these (covert-ops) types and the beings . . .”


Psychologist since 1961 and hypnotherapist since 1967.

Has worked with over 600 cases of alien abduction.

Told me he had “half-dozen-cases of military re-abduction” and “half-dozen-cases where aliens and military were seen together.”

[Again, I was told that any ETs seen working with the military are Majestic’s clones, created using DNA recovered from downed ET craft. – cw]

His cases with harassment number in the 200s. These include phone interruptions, black helicopters, being followed, and face-to-face confrontations.

His cases feel unanimously that the reason why they were taken or selected by the military was for their paranormal abilities.

One of his cases was told during an interrogation, “You won’t remember this or you’ll hurt yourself.” (More comments matching this to come.)

He referred cases to me, which I have interviewed.

He told me that he feels I “need to be in the open” for my protection.

[In a conversation I had with Melinda when I first met her, she confided that two of her close friends were “frightened out of the business (of re-abduction research)” by Majestic’s threats and harassment. – cw]

He said the way to end all this is “to allow the cover-up to be uncovered.”

[I’ve written in my book and on this blog (Post #119), that I’m against disclosure. I do NOT want an end to the UFO cover-up. I fear that when it ends the ETs will be portrayed as Space Invaders by the government, with Abductee/Experiencers unfortunate victims of alien mind control, who are to be put into detention camps “for their own protection.” Can you hear me, Dr. Greer? – cw]


I support much of his core “Threat” theory. I’ve spoken to him regarding this subject and we agree to disagree. What he generally believes:

From his book, The Threat:

“Abductees mistake human-like alien hybrids dressed in military uniforms for US military personnel and that these aliens bring abductees to examine and interrogate them.” Therefore, according to him, there is no evidence that the military is involved in abductions. (So this also explains all the harassment evidence as well?)

From the 1998 MUFON Symposium:

“Only abductees which are not well known claim they have military experiences.” (Never mind that it was the best known abductees like Debby Jordan, Leah Haley, Kay Wilson, Anna Jamerson, Beth Collings and Karla Turner who were the very first to bring this subject to the public’s attention and NOT the researchers!)

I feel David Jacobs is misinterpreting some of the strongest evidence in support of his own theory. If his theory regarding aliens as a possible “threat” is correct, and if the number of abductees are anywhere near what the researchers claim them to be . . .

Wouldn’t those who run the intelligence apparatus have figured this out, just as he has? If abduction are a threat to the degree that he claims, then abductions would be a matter of National Security.

Wouldn’t the intelligence apparatus, using one of its working arms such as the military, have an interest in studying that threat?

If abductions, are a question of National Security, wouldn’t abductees be a part of that same question? How better to study this matter than to monitor, surveillance, and interrogate those involved? While it may be very difficult to monitor, surveillance and interrogate any aliens, it’s not difficult to do so with abductees! Also taking into consideration that plausible deniability is already in place and nobody would believe them.

The evidence for military involvement validates his theory!


Has worked with over 70 abduction cases.

Says he has only one military re-abduction case, that of Debbie Jordan. (Melinda is aware he has a few more he’s not counting)

He says he has about 200 accounts of MIBs in his cases! And many cases with various forms of harassment and surveillance.

Melinda has worked with cases that were clients of Budd’s and that never mention their covert-ops experiences to him, therefore he has more cases that he’s unaware of   (How often do abductees fail to mention their experiences? How many more cases would the researchers have if they did? This may be due in part because these experiences are often remembered consciously and a regression isn’t needed, and also because the abductees often say that when it comes to the researchers “oh, they wouldn’t understand” and thus remain reluctant to share with them.

Budd’s warning on the subject, “Still a small percentage of the cases.” Therefore he remains cautious to get into the covert-ops involvement subject, even though some of his star cases are people who have been very public about their military experiences. He does not wish to confused or further complicate the subject and feels that it is a small enough percentage of the total cases to not have to address it.

He once said, “Abductions lay at the heart of the whole UFO scenario.” He also agrees there is a massive government cover-up of the UFO subject and was once a supporter of the Coalition for Honesty in Government (Bob Dean’s organization) as well as the disclosure efforts of famous UFO documentary Producer James Fox.

If abductions lay at the heart of the UFO subject, and the UFO subject is being covered up, then wouldn’t abductions lay at the heart of the cover-up?

Budd now says regarding a covert-ops involvement: “They’d have to be interested!

From Diary of an Abduction by Angela Thompson Smith, Ph.D.

Angela’s story of what happened to her while staying with Budd in his home in Manhattan:

“During the night I dreamt that someone was doing something with my left foot. I was thinking, “I’m glad I washed my feet.” The next afternoon, I noticed that I had a small lump on my left shin surrounded by a small, reddish, circular area. The hard lump is still there today, although the redness has disappeared. Budd regressed me to the “dream” surrounding the lump. In the regression, I remembered waking up in the night to find someone sitting at the end of my bed; my left foot was being manipulated and then lowered onto . . . a human thigh. A piece of curved metal was placed over my left shin and the area felf numb “as if part of it wasn’t there.” Then I felt, rather than heard, a “pop,” and a little thing was implanted into the front of my leg.

Budd told me that I am the seventeenth person to have something like this happen while staying at his home. One man felt his leg drop from being held and the drop woke him up. Others have seen guys in Budd’s studio. Budd thinks these events are staged by the grays to let him know that they are aware of his activities and to keep track of his visitors. However, in my regression, the person who implanted the device was not a gray, but a human person!

Who Else is Doing This Research?


Authors of the breakout book on this subject titled MILABS: Military Mind Control & Alien Abduction.

[Here’s a link to some comments about the book. – cw]

From an article Helmut wrote for the MUFON Journal:

Helmut believes that cases in which an abductee reports that he/she was also abducted by the military are very important for two reasons:

“If the UFO community has evidence that a covert military/intelligence task force is involved in the UFO abduction phenomenon, we would then know that this phenomenon represents a matter of National Security.

“Military involvement could be evidence that they use abductees for mind control experiments, or that they monitor and kidnap abductees for information-gathering purposes during or after an abduction.”

From a MUFON Journal Article on MILABs by Hermut Lammer

“Recently, some UFO abductees have alleged that they were also being kidnapped by military/intelligence personnel and taken to hospitals and/or underground military facilities. Few of the popular books on the subject of UFO abductions mention these experiences. Especially disconcerting is the fact that abductees recall seeing military/intelligence personnel working side by side with alien beings in these secret facilities. The presence of human military and/or civilian personnel inhabiting the same physical reality as the alien beings exceeds both the mind sets of the skeptic and the open-minded researcher alike by several orders of magnitude. The skeptics would rather believe that stories of aliens and military personnel in underground facilities are a fabrication, designed to elicit attention from conspiracy believers or hallucinations in general. Researchers in the field of mind control suggest that these cases are evidence that the whole UFO abduction phenomenon is staged by the intelligence community as a cover for their illegal experiments. The open-minded researchers who fight for a reputation in abduction research ignore these stories, since they represent only a minor fraction in their files.

[As I said earlier, I was told by Harold’s Grays that any aliens seen working with the military are Majestic’s clones, created from bodies recovered from downed UFOs. They are under the complete control of their human handlers and should not be confused with real ETs. Read the story of Dr. Carol Rusin. She was a protégé of the late Dr. Wernher von Braun and charged by him with working to prevent the militarization of Space. Von Braun was the man who led our space program from it’s creation after WWII to our landing on the Moon. She says he told her several times that there would be a time in the future when the military-industrial complex would fake an invasion from space to further their agenda. He emphasized to her that although there are many different aliens currently visiting earth, “none of them are hostile.” – cw]

 KARLA TURNER (1947 – 1996)

Alien Abduction Researcher

Author and MILAB Research Pioneer

The late Dr. Turner from an interview by Melinda Leslie & Randy Koppang:

“. . . It wasn’t until November 1988, when Casey (husband) was taken by the military that we knew for sure how far military personnel would go. The minute he began to realize what was happening, and we (communicated with) someone in the UFO community by phone, we began having phone interference, mail tampering. The first times we met with Ufologists, we were followed by the same car, two different times, two months apart. We began to have helicopter overflights, all times of the day and night, different types (of them). We lived in our house for five years and never had helicopters before then. It became the standard. I mean, I’d have nine a day! So we knew there was a human element involved. First, we thought they were monitoring. But once we made phone connections, we began having all this human-type activity; surveillance and a number of other things that are in the book . . .”


Worked with 30 ET abductees and half his cases have harassment of some form.

He had 6 cases of military re-abduction.

Had his own harassment: His and another researcher’s voices were played back on both their own answering machines from a conversation they had regarding covert-ops involvement, which took place while they were standing out in the open in a parking lot. Somebody wanted them both to know their conversation had been recorded.

In cases with interrogation abductees were questioned about the following:

– What knowledge was obtained and was it technical or paranormal?

– What groups of ETs are the abductee involved with?

– Does the abductee know any classified information?

– What are the ET’s motives?

The military seem to perceive people who’ve had contact as a threat or risk and therefore need to evaluate and/or maintain control over them.


Abduction researcher for 26 years

Director of ICAR (International Community for Alien Research)

ICAR has over 8,800 ET abduction cases in its files

Joe and his wife Linda are both covert-ops abductees with multiple experiences and one involving a “mass abduction” with military

Has over 800 cases with harassment & surveillance (10% of cases)

Has over 450 cases of re-abduction (with a military presence)

Half of those cases involve being “handed-off” by ETs to human military

[These are cases where Majestic’s cloned ETs are used to confuse the issue. – cw]

Has 7 cases of mass military abduction of 100s of abductees.

Cases claim they are taken equally for genetics, tech, medical, & psi

Has 50-75 internatioal covert-ops cases (in allied nations mostly)

Most alarming finding was covert-ops interest in a “future pandemic”

[I was distressed to read this because of something I haven’t as yet reported to my readers. My psychic friend Harold, who channels a “chorus” of ETs, has over a number of years been repeatedly shown several possible futures for Earth and mankind. Although not as frequent a vision as before, it is still occasionally presented to him. Here is a synopsis. Bear in mind that according to the Grays this is only one of several possible future scenarios.

A lethal, man made pathogen is released to greatly depopulate the planet. It’s genetically engineered to target adults. (The medical definition of an adult is when a person’s hormones stabilize after the “teenage years,” when he or she comes out of puberty.) Those adults who survive the plague have a “genetic marker” (their words) that distinguishes them. – cw]

High number of cases being taken to: Eglin AF Base in FL., Fort Louis in WA, and Norfolk Naval Base in VA.


Covert-ops abductee with breakout website with MILAB info:

AlienJigsaw.com and author of multiple books that include convert-ops involvement experiences and evidence.

MUFON’s Abduction Transcription Project, 1995:

Dan Wright found that experiences, strikingly similar to those recalled by MILABs, were also in the Project, for example:

A hanger with UFO-like craft(s)

One of more cubicle-like rooms within a large underground facility

Military officers with name tags and identifiers removed from uniforms

The use of drugs to elicit responses from subjects

Berating subject to relate what he/she was told/shown by the aliens

Brainwashing the subject to believe the interrogation did not happen

As of Feb. 2010, MUFON is involved in a new abduction study which will include abductees’ accounts of covert-ops involvement

Many abduction researchers have RE-AB cases, but fail to acknowledge them in their writings or presentations.   This reluctance is greatly influenced by their misperception of the subject. My though tis that many abduction researchers have become so careful to not undermine any credibility they’ve sweat blood to achieve, that it becomes easier for them to ignore or downplay the controversial subject of covert-ops involvement.

Instead of seeing these experiences and the evidence for them as evidence in support of all their research efforts, instead of seeing it as the evidence that they are right, that abductions are absolutely real, ETs are here, and technology is used, they see it as something that complicates and possibly undermines their main thesis; that abductees have experiences with ETs. But, in so doing, they forfeit a major piece of evidence in favor of their thesis being correct, rather than risk leading people to consider that a human involvement might somehow diminish an ET one. I can’t help but wonder if this is due in great paret to their misperception having led to a military in-lieu-of ETs concept instead of what the experiences show; that it’s a military because of ETs concept.

(To be continued)